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Question: Vicki's husband was talked into buying a Best Buy credit card. They forgot about it, but it was turned into a collections agency. They now owe $285. Dave angrily explains why her husband's stupid behavior was anything but a "best buy".

Dave Ramsey's advice: Here's what you do. Write a $285 check, and on the "for" line of the check, put STUPID BEHAVIOR BY MY HUSBAND! He bought into this, and you guys are totally liable for this. Next time you go into a retail store and they ask you to sign up for a credit card, tell them to jump in the creek!

To everyone else out there who thinks it's a good idea to sign up for the card to get the discount and then cancel the card, THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT!


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I used to solicit those department store credit cards and I can tell you that most of the clerks don't even know what they are trying to sell you! Just ask them what the interest rate is. And a lot of them are just working in these stores part time because they are drowning in debt. Not the person I would let talk to me about "you can pay it off when the bill comes and just use the discount." Bad plan.
# Posted by Irigati | 4/17/08 10:57 AM
I went to Pier One. The sales clerk said the store was running a "discount card". She tried to fool me by describing it as the type of card you get at Kroger, Albertson's, etc. It was a darn credit card...the application was asking for my social security numberr! Beware..."I see debt people"! I became so upset for her lying, I almost cursed at her. I have chosen to never do business with this store again.
# Posted by Shelia | 4/18/08 6:14 PM
I could barely get out of the checkout line with my cash paid purchase at Kohl's. The clerk tried to get me to sign up for the credit card which gives me discounts on purchases. She said it would help me provide clothes for my family if an emergency should arise. I have an emergency fund in case that would arise. I found out the clerks get a kickback for the cards they get signed up.......
# Posted by KevinC | 4/19/08 10:25 AM
I little while ago I need to pick up some Baking soda in Target. I think these cashiers are acting like robots when asking the customer to sign up for a "Target Card". The reason I know this is because my total bill was $1.50 that day and the friendly cashier asked me if I wanted to save 10% today. "10% on a $1.50?" I said. "You have got to be kidding me!!"
# Posted by Matt Heinen | 4/21/08 7:00 AM
Don't get mad at the clerks. Most department
stores require that they ask the customers
to get a credit card. They send spies out
to make sure the clerks ask.
# Posted by Alexandra | 4/22/08 2:50 PM
I worked at Target while in college 6 years ago. And yes, those poor cashiers are required to ask every single person that walks through the line if they would like to save 10% with their Target card. I hated doing it. However, that didn't stop ME from getting one and carrying a $2000 balance LONG after I graduated and quit working there. I've never heard a better sound than that thing going through the shreader!!
# Posted by Anna | 5/9/08 12:00 PM
This reminded me of when I was working part-time at Macy's to make ends meet. It was a requirement that I offer the card to every customer and if I could get someone to sign up I received a $4.00 cash bonus - which I used to eat a meal with. If Dave doesn't come out with a mini-pamphlet I may have to make up a small one with the Baby Steps listed and the local information for his radio and TV show as well as the website and then stuff them with $5.00 bills to hand out to these clerks when they offer me a card. I know for a fact that most of them are barely earning minimum wage.
# Posted by Marion Johnson | 5/12/08 11:20 AM
Yes! Don't get mad at the clerks. Some stores insist that they sell so many cards per shift, or they won't have a job! My daughter quit her part-time job rather than sell people into debt. I told her she should have told them it was against her religion!
# Posted by Kathy | 5/28/08 1:30 PM
Tell them you already have one, so they quit trying to sell you debt.
# Posted by tony | 6/20/08 8:35 AM
I used to work in retail sales and just hated
having to ask customers to open a charge card
at the close of each sale. I was more intersested
in making sure the customer was getting the service
she needed than having to pester and beg them with
fancy words in order to make them open a charge card.
# Posted by Kristin | 6/22/08 9:15 PM
I once told a clerk that I was independently wealthy and didn't need to save 10%...you should have seen the look on her face!Priceless!
# Posted by marnie | 7/2/08 3:19 AM
Dave,
I have a 15 yr mortgage with my bank (Bank of the souf the southwest)I was told I had a fixed rate but I
now know I have a balloon payment attached to
this loan. now it shows my interest rate at 10%
so how can the fixed rate fluctuate? My balloonm
payment is due in full in 2011 in the amount of
60000.00 dollars. Is this a good thing and what
if any is my options.Im looking foward to hearing
from you. The loan is on land just in case
this makes a difference.
Thanks so much,
Joette Mays
# Posted by Joette mays | 8/13/08 7:43 PM
Please don't get mad at the clerks. I was working full-time to support myself and nearly got fired from my job for not selling enough cards (my quota was 50 per month! would you believe it?!) I quit right before they could fire me and found another job ASAP. It is ridiculous and irresponsible that retailers cannot survive without their stupid credit cards these days. What ever happen to regular profit?
# Posted by Marie | 10/2/08 2:22 PM
Telling them you already have one won't work.

They'll ask why you aren't using it!
# Posted by Allison H. | 10/18/08 5:37 PM
I experienced a very pushy clerk at Penney's, and not only did she not get someone
to sign up for a credit card, but she also lost a 300.00
sale, because I got so mad at her for not taking no for an answer, that I left all of my purchases
on the counter and just walked away.
# Posted by Denise | 11/2/08 9:26 PM
I took a part time job at Kohl's in Cleveland
Tn earlier this year. During orientation they
preached that our primary mission was to get
people to fill out an application for their card.
Debt was the reason I needed the job and I could
not stomach the idea of pushing people into even
more debt. I quite before I had to face those issues
at the register due to the additional disheartening
fact that the "management" was awful. They also
require their employees to get a card and provide
several types of employee "incentive rewards" to
get you to use the card. Many of the young folks
there owned more to Kohl's then the earned. Very
sad. Almost felt demonic in nature to work there.
# Posted by Denise | 11/27/08 10:22 AM
I was just shoping at Target 2 days ago and was asked the neverending question "would you like to save 10% off your purchase today?" When i aanswered that I already had their card she quickly moved on with the purchase and didnt ask me if I wanted to use it.(obviously no bonus to use one,just to sign up for one) so I guess that answer was enough to call off the dogs. Little does she know I'll never use it either ;) It is a shame that poor clerks are forced to be required to meet a quota. Good for anyone who refuses to work for a company like this. I work in retail sales and would not work for any employer who forced my hand either. Maybe a request to speak with a manager would be enough to get the sales clerk to drop the whole card thing.
# Posted by EB | 12/13/08 12:21 AM
I worked for over 20 years in retail at Wal-mart, Sears, and a fabric store. I never once had to ask customemers to apply for a card. I would tell customrs if THEY asked about the credit cards but I never had to push any on customers. Most clerks could care less what you pay with as long as you pay. It may be common elsewhee but here in m area, they don't do that.
# Posted by barbara weatherly | 1/4/09 4:32 PM
I actually worked for Kohls for about three months this past summer. I ended up quitting because I felt by asking people to sign up for the credit card I was doing them a disservice. I could not justify selling credit to someone when I was trying to pay mine off with my customers hard earned money. I actually had customers get irate with me and that made me feel even worse about pushing credit. I'm so glad I quit, I have my peace of mind back!!!!
# Posted by Brenda | 1/15/09 12:29 PM
Instead of getting upset at the sales associates, go to the customer service sections of the stores' websites and tell them how much you hate being sold those cards.

I just went to Macy's site and told them that I will be shopping elsewhere because EVERY SINGLE TIME I purchase something at Macy's, they are trying to push that card on me. I say no, firmly, I do not want another card, but they keep going "You can save 10%...!!" It's relentless and I've had it.

So write to them and inform any stores that you feel makes it burdensome (I shop at JCPenney's all the time and rarely, if ever have gotten the pitch) to get through a sale and let them know that it is not good customer service and it is not helpful to the sales associates.
# Posted by jen | 1/16/09 11:03 AM
Another good reason to NOT sign up for the
cards is the fact that all those open credit
card accounts that you don't use count
AGAINST your credit score and can affect the
price of auto and home insurance.
# Posted by Cat | 1/21/09 11:42 AM
While I never worked in a retail environment with an store credit card option, I did work in Telemarketing for a very short stint in college.

Unfortunately, I got assigned to the credit card sales division instead of surveys. You got paid on commission for the number of cards you got people to sign up for. I quit shortly after a month, because I felt sick to my stomach every time I called someone who obviously did not want or need a card. When someone would get irked that I called, I would actually tell them to say 'put me on your do not call list'. (even though the conversations were recorded by my manager and I could have been fired for this)

Working for a place like that was like selling your soul to the devil. I'd rather be a broke college kid than sell someone into debt with another credit card.
# Posted by shelby | 1/28/09 4:05 PM
I work at Kohl's and you are told to ask every
customer to open an account. It is part of are
review. Yes we get 50cents to one dollar on
each account but that is now the reason we ask
you to open an account. We are told that our
district office says if we can't get the stores
goal each day then they need to hire others that
will. I feel very threaten for my job.....
# Posted by sandy | 2/9/09 1:42 AM
I worked at Penney's when I was in college (almost 35 years ago! Remember, the credit environment was much different back then as opposed to now.) They always had "contests" in which employees were supposed to see who could get the most credit apps. The top 5 employees in the store would get a free U.S. savings bond (or something like that.)

I would ask customers if they wanted to put their purchase on their Penney's charge. If they said they didn't have one, I would ask if they wanted to fill out an application. No pressure--just an offer. I knew I couldn't win because I didn't work the hours the full-timers did, but I wanted to have some apps to impress my boss. I was only 18 and had absolutely no credit history at that time, so I decided I would fill in an app for myself, expecting them to refuse me. You can imagine my surprise when they sent me a card! It had a credit limit of $100. Yes, that's ONE hundred!

I understand that things are much different now! And I get really upset when sales clerks REALLY push them. I understand if they have to ASK, but when the customer says "No", for heavens sake DROP IT!

And customers, remember that you don't owe anybody an explanation. Just firmly say "no". If they keep pushing, then you can get rude with them!
# Posted by Pat | 3/10/09 11:15 AM
I worked for a Christian bookstore chain, and believe it or not, we had a credit card. When you worked the front counter, you had to ask if people wanted it.
There were goals for sign-ups as well. I think I had to get 5 completed applications each week.
It always felt odd to offer a credit card app to someone who was buying a Dave Ramsey book!
# Posted by Don | 4/16/09 11:29 AM
My wife just left house with plans to go to JC Penney with plans
to buy around $200 worth of clothes for her and our son, and is
going to open up the Penney card to save 20%. She says this is ok
as she will pay it off and then close it.

I told her this is not ok, but she does not seem to understand why.
Can someone explain clearly why this is still a bad idea, even if
you plan and do pay it off and close it? Aside from the credit card
company making mistakes, etc.?

Thanks,
Dan
# Posted by Dan Ferguson | 4/23/09 9:21 AM
I closed all the retail accounts several years ag ago ago. ago. When they ask if I want a card, I say no, my personal informatio is safer if I keep it not your compnay which lacks proper PCI compliance per a recent industry study. They always have a blank look.
# Posted by Dave M | 4/26/09 10:20 PM
I sure learned my lesson after opening a credit card with Belk. The credit company was trying to make me pay $86 in late fees on a dollar that I somehow still owed them. (They are sneaky like that.)

The next time I was shopping at Belk the clerk asked me if I wanted to open a card. After telling her my frustration about what happened she said that I could just close that card and open a new one. I replied, "Really, you can't be serious." Apparently she didn't hear the sarcasm in my voice because she picked up the phone, dialed customer service and then handed it to me.

It wasn't long after that incident that I had my plasectomy.
# Posted by Michelle | 5/22/09 9:31 AM
Response to Don Ferguson's question of 4/23/09:
Your wife is trying to save $40 (20% of $200) which is reasonable, HOWEVER, she is betting against Kohls that the will process every payment on time and not "lose" your check or some other fudging in which may result in fines fees and hassles that would result in greater than $40 in extra payments! That's why Dave says it is not worth the money.
# Posted by Blair | 5/26/09 8:36 AM
To answer Don Ferguson's question of 4/23/09: the only way to take advantage of a deal like this and save the $40 is to pay the entire amount, IMMEDIATELY after the purchase, then close the account. And check to make sure there is a grace period for payment before you sign up, or you will end up paying more. I have done this in the past, and saved some good money. However, I was very disciplined to pay it off immediately and cut up and close the card.
# Posted by Dawn | 5/31/09 8:17 AM
Inspired by the title, I wish we had a stupid tax. We would take care of our national debt fast. Also if you fail to pay your stupid tax you can't vote. LOL!
# Posted by Brian | 6/3/09 7:21 PM
I just like to tell them that the machine would literally laugh if it saw my credit. The clerk either a) glares at me or
b) thinks I'm crazy. Either way, I chalk it up as a win. It's a minor victory.
# Posted by Jenn C | 6/17/09 5:52 PM
In large retail establishments, it's the higher-ups at the corporation who require the credit card pitch. It's not the individual store--the managers don't have a choice. If a manager doesn't follow what corporate wants, the store will lose points when they get shopped by someone from the company who is checking for consistency and adherence to the policy. The manager could lose his/her job, too.

That said, yes, the pitch is irritating.
# Posted by AmyB | 6/25/09 7:05 AM
Just tell them yes and please rush the
application. Say you are filing for bankrupcy
and want to run it up before you file.
# Posted by JohnK | 6/28/09 12:25 PM
Response to Don Ferguson's question of 4/23/09:
The others are correct when they say the issue is that you are gambling that the store will process everything properly. My husband did this on a purchase to save some money, planning to pay the card in full and cancel it. However, he forgot about the extra bill we were execting until about two months after the purchase. At that point he had to search for the information to call the company. Finally he finds the information and calls to find out why no bill has been sent. They claim to have sent a bill, only their address on file is no where close to our actual mailing address. Not even the same town. He had to argue all the way up to the manager to get the late fees removed. He got the address to send the check to and cancel the card right then an there. Imagine if he didn't notice the bill was missing 3 or 6 months! They would just be adding on all those fees for a bill they were never planning to send us.
# Posted by Mar | 6/29/09 11:25 AM
Most of the advice Dave Ramsey gives is common sense. I do however have to disagree with his advice when it comes to life insurance. Dave talks about researching before making decisions...this is good advice. Here is some more good advice - Don't make all your financial decisions based off of what Dave Ramsey says. The same Dave Ramsey who filed for bankruptcy. It's kind of like taking marriage counseling from someone who's been divorced a few times.
# Posted by kman | 7/16/09 3:15 PM
Keep in mind that these cashiers may get a kick back ont he cards that they issue per week, but they can also be fired for not "cross-selling" as they call it. My wife used to work for a local credit union that operated under the same premise and was constantly warned that if she did not get her numbers up, she would be written up for it. So, don't blame the people working, it is the organization that should be punished by NEVER receiving your business. My wife no longer works there and they will never see our money again!!
# Posted by Paul | 7/17/09 3:15 PM
Ok so I have one for you, my BANK talked my ear off about a rewards program linked to my Debit Card and so I asked what the cost was and OF COURSE there was an annual fee of $25. I said to them but I am already on your free rewards program. Apparently this was an upgrade and you received 4 times the amount of points (for junk I really DONT need). I listened kindly with my mind already made up that this is just one more company that wanted to TAKE money from me. And as I stood listening all I could think was "these poor saps are practically begging me to sign up, how sad".
# Posted by Jenny H | 8/9/09 11:02 AM
The correct response is this case is when they offer you a credit card the proper response is "CHEETAH!"
# Posted by John | 8/12/09 1:26 PM
GAZELLES BEWARE!!! A few weeks ago I went to Kohls because of all the advertising of HUGE back-to-school discounts, I was looking for a deal. While I was in a fitting room with the kids, a sweet lady that worked for Kohls preyed on my husband and the poor thing didn't even see it coming. She had promised to get him some additional money saving coupons if he would just give her his drivers license. You know so he couldn't leave without out the coupons, as if his license started the car??? Well he did, she returned without coupons, handed him his license and didn't say a word. He asked where the coupons were and in an ever so sweet voice she states "You didn't qualify" then turned and walked away. Thats right she used his license to run his FICO. Kohls has invested in some major marketing because thats all you hear and see all weekend is their BIG SAVINGS EVENT on commercials, just to think they fund those with money they have scammed from us. I have seen their scams pop up on quit a few of these blogs. I will never shop there again.
# Posted by Rachel D. | 8/30/09 10:02 AM
Goodness..... the store credit cards have the ighest interest rates of any of the theives !!
# Posted by Janice Spencer | 8/31/09 9:17 PM